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jeanne moos, cnn. new york. >> her hands must hurt tonight. thank you for joining us. you can watch "out front" nimp any time on cnn go. "ac 360" starts now. breaking news tonight. remember ta statement donald trump made about barring all muslims from entering the country? listen. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> that was donald j. trump, december 7th, reading from a press release. breaking news tonight nearly seven months later, forget everything he said. after backing away from it, then reembracing it, our sources say he is dropping the litmus test
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entirely. we begin with american 401(k) savings shrinking, briti british. seeing its credit rating cut today. brexit politicians going back on promises they made to win votes, turmoil in the governing party and a absence for carrying out the voters' wishes, stirring second thoughts from those yes voters and you have a recipe of brexit remorse with a side of mushy peas. great to have you here. what's going on in stock market continues to slide. >> pretty serious. closer to 2% today. that point, 5%, there's some years. that's somebody's entire return on the stock market. it's worrisome to people. i would caution people while the
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stock market goes up and down and we may be headed for a recession at some point in the next year or 18 months according to experts, i don't think this is the precipitating event. the effect of brexit on u.s. investors is probably coming to an end. friday was vicious. there were bank stocks that lost more than 10% of their value. that's understandable because nobody knows what this is about. there are a lot of other stocks taken down and no one can figure out why would you sell that stock off versus that one? they don't do any business with the uk. the uncertainty is what's getting people i think, because we don't actually know what brexit results in, what happens to the uk, what new deals they cut. we don't know how to value our investments in the united kingdom. i would caution most people that you don't understand it doesn't mean it's all bad. >> the potential political consequences not only in europe but also here in the united states. >> i think that's more serious. the message that there's an entire class of people who feel entirely disenfranchised,
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putting aside that he people may have voted because of xenophobic messages, maybe they were manufacturing workers, working class people who feel that these trade deals that make companies richer, that make country's gdp grow don't do a damn thing for them and they are frustrated. in the uk, this was the lever they had to pull. they pulled it. for many voters it probably had nothing to do with the eu and its relationship with the uk. i think the same thing is going on here in america. unless we understand there's a bunch of people where there is no movement to help them, they are simply being ignored and bypassed, we may see this result. vote for somebody who says they can do something for you and later find out that they can't. >> ali velshi, thank you. we seem to meet under these circumstances with ali. from the pro-brexit side, clarissa ward has more on the political fallout as well as a
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pair of broken promises from the pro-brexit side. >> reporter: fear is sweeping the world's financial markets and the streets of london over concerns that great britain's vote to leave the european union will trigger other nations to do the same. that could set off a wave of turmoil that some worry would be the beginning of the group of 28 if nations falling apart. scotland is already threatening to break away from the uk over the brexit vote because they want to stay in the eu. secretary of state john kerry travelled to brussels today to discuss damage control. >> i think it is absolutely essential that we say focused on how in this transitional period nobody loses their head, nobody goes off half cocked. people don't start ginning up scatter brained or revengeful prem isz. >> it is still unclear what a
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brexit will look like. british politicians who campaigned for leaving the eu are already walking back a number of promises. most prominently, a pledge to leave campaign plastered on a bright red bus that exiting the eu would save britain 350 million pounds a week, money that could be poured into the country's national health service. but in an interview with britain's good morning, nigel faraj con seated that probably wouldn't happen. >> the 350 million pounds a week we send to the eu, which we will no longer send to the eu, can you guarantee that's going to go to the nhs? >> no, i can't. and i would never have made that claim. >> reporter: the leave movement also promised a brexit would bring immigration numbers down. on bbc newsnight, one leave campaigner appeared to measure expectations. >> completely at odds with what the public think they have voted
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for. >> i do not imagine that that means zero immigration from the eu. it means we will have some control over who comes in and what numbers. >> clarissa ward joins us now. david cameron resigning. had ans a date been set to find a replacement? >> we now know from the conservative party that they expect to have chosen a new leader by september 2nd. that's the date they're giving. that, obviously, is still more than two months away. meantime you have a serious political vacuum in the uk. you've seen a slue of resignations from opposition party lawmakers and no sense yet -- i think the leave campaign is really using this time, stalling for time even while they try to envision and work out what a brexit will actually look like. european leaders have a different mind-set. we don't want to prolong the agony. we can't set a precedent here. we need swift, decisive action. these next couple of months will be very crucial, anderson. >> clarissa ward, thank you very much. and as if britain wasn't
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already going through enough, the english national soccer team today was humiliated by team iceland, knocking them out of this yoor's european championships. the coach late today stepping down -- stepping up for us tonight, two correspondents who have seen a lot but never anything like this. richard quest, host of "quest means business" and christiane amanpour. it seems like a lot of promises were made by the brexit movement leaders, the economy would thrive, immigration would go down. are these leaders at all in a place to follow through on what's been promised? >> listen, anderson, today has been marked by a series of what people are describing as backtracking and u-turns. plus a very real case of having no plan. leave has not come out to say what the plan is. so, what's going on, though, is that they are sort of backtracking. people like boris johnson. even one of the key intellectuals daniel hann. n, spokesman for this campaign.
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well maybe we have to be kindlier, gentler tmper, what we said was going to be a major halt in free flow of movement and migrants coming to brit ab. now they're saying maybe the immigration picture won't change at all. that's a little troubling. at least for those who voted leave. then they're also saying it was a mistake to promise that this 350 million pounds, which was a mythical figure used by leave would go, for instance, into nhs, the national health system here. those two very key points that the leave campaign made very, very important and central are sort of being waffled about right now. >> richard, the uk won't officially leave the eu until parliament triggers something called article 50. is there any chance at all after all of this they might not actually go through with it? >> highly, highly unlikely. wishful thinking by a variety of people who would like to think there could be a second referendum or somehow parliament
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will go rogue and rebellious and not give effect to the will of the people. the prime minister, david cameron, in the building behind me today basically said the people made their decision and it is our job to get on and do it. now, look, i've heard a variety of weird constitutional possibilities, theories and outright nonsense. the truth is, though, if -- you know, 17 million people voted to leave the eu. even -- even if you allow an element of regret, those who have buyer's remorse you would still end up with a virtual riot if parliament did not give affect to the will of the people. they can huff and they can puff but ultimately that's the way it's going to be. pretty much everybody accepts that. >> christiane, is that the way it seems to you? it's going to go through it's just unclear what exactly that means? >> well, yeah. i mean, look, the real, real
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issue here is that -- we said it over and again. it has become a cliche. this is unchartered territory. honestly nobody knows what's going to happen. s it been an extraordinary fact that we have not heard from the main leave group. people like boris johnson or michael gogh. we've had a column in a newspaper, couple of door stopping sound bites from boris johnson, nothing from michael gogh, expected to be the key intellect of this leave campaign. they weren't even in parliament when the prime minister went to face the music. we just don't know. on the one hand, the leave people are now saying we want access. we want to keep the single market. but that goes hand in hand with free movement of people, which they don't want. now they're hoping that david cameron can somehow negotiate best terms and best deals for them when he meets with europe wran leaders, which he will do some morning in brussels. it will be really interesting to see what kind of reception he gets there. >> richard, the stock market in the u.s., again down today in a
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big way. in britain, is it the ripple effects -- is there any end to them at this point? >> okay. so, we are now in an absolute spider's web of complexity. in many ways far greater thant 2008 crisis when you were putting out a fire. i'll explain just briefly why. you have got in this situation uncertainty left, right and center in central europe, in the eu, in the uk. companies are putting off spending and putting off plans. you've got consumers that are worried and, therefore, they're going to stop spending. on top of that, you've got the pound, which is falling which, of course, is importing inflation. the other side of that is the dollar is rising, which is causing problem for u.s. exporters, big u.s. multinationals and that's taken its toll on the stock market. that, in turn, anderson, will create problems for the u.s. fed that would dearly love to raise interest rates but dare not do
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so now in this very fragile febrile economic environment. put it all together and you have one unholy mess in the global economy at the moment that is going -- and everybody involved has to tread very gingerly because, frankly, the first wrong move could bring the whole lot tumbling down. >> you both have been reporting round the clock on this since it happened. thank you so much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. just ahead, a lot of politics here. donald trump changing his position again on his call to bar muslims from the country. first it was all muslims then some muslims then all muslims again temporarily. now none apparently. details when we come back. on the flooding scene in west virginia where the destruction is already severe and flash flood warnings remain in effect.
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welcome back. the bgest advocate of keeping muslims out of the country until we can figure out what's going on is backing off. joining us now to explain all of it, let's start with the one-time muslim ban that is no more. what happened? >> that's right. this is a big shift, anderson, sources telling cnn that the
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trump campaign is working on crafting this memo right now to make these changes. what we do know is this. trump will now no longer call for specifically a ban on all muslims. instead he will call for a ban on all immigrants coming from countries with known terrorism links. this comes as trump does seem to be trying to hit the reset button, taking steps to reposition himself for the general election. donald trump's abandoning of his complete muslim ban isn't the only example of the presumptive nominee softening his position. he is also reigning in his tough talk on immigration, no longer featuring his call to deport undocumented immigrants in his stump speech. >> we want people coming into our country, but they have to come in legally. >> reporter: but one area where trump is not dialing things back, his criticism of political opponents. presumptive gop nominee today blasting elizabeth warren after the progressive fire brand attacked him during an appearance with hillary clinton.
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>> that's who donald trump is. the guy who wants it all for himself. and watch out, because he will crush you into the dirt to get whatever he wants. >> reporter: trump responding that warren is a racist and once again referring to warren by his favorite nickname for the massachusetts senator, pocahontas, telling nbc news, quote sheer quote, she used the fact that she was native american to advance her career. elizabeth warren is a total fraud. recal abrasions coming one week after the firing of his campaign manager, and with his campaign facing serious headwinds. new polls show hillary clinton with a clear lead in national polls and reveal real warning signs for trump beneath the surface. while both candidates have high unfavorable ratings, more voters see trump in a negative light. and a hefty two-thirds of voters
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see him as unqualified to be president. an assessment that even senate majority leader mitch mcconnell tried to dodge. >> he has made a number of mistakes over the last few weeks. i think they're beginning to right the ship. >> reporter: refusing to say whether he believes that trump is qualified to be president. >> look, that ought to be up to the american people to decide. >> trump's shift on the muslim ban, do we even know what countries now he's talking about this ban would allegedly apply to? >> all that is still very unclear, anderson. the trump campaign has simply not divulged a list of countries had an this ban would apply to. we do know that they say it would apply to countries with known terrorism links, including chris that train and equip terrorists in some way. trump spokesman saying tonight that they will come out with a list of countries at some point, once they have more details and specifics to offer. at this point there's no hard timeframe for when those very important details do come out.
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anderson? >> sunlen saferty, thank you very much. trump supporter, conservative trump critique. let me start with you. okay. so, a complete ban of muslims until entering the country, until we figure out what the heck is going on. have we now figured out what the heck is going on? >> he has met with awe makers and lawmakers have said it will be a more viable policy if he banned people from coming into terror countries. in fact, a proposal that's been voted on. senator rand paul put it on the floor. >> ted cruz was proposing this during the primary season. >> that's right. >> adopting a position that he was attacking his opponents for having at the beginning of the primaries. >> he is. here is the thing. donald trump is flexible. he is a negotiator. he is someone that can break through gridlock. contrary to that, you have the president who, when he doesn't like what congress does, he
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stonewalls over congress and uses the executive order. >> you have political beliefs, are you concerned at all that he's so flexible that he's just, you know, like somebody from the fantastic four? that there is no core there at all? is everything flexible, building the wall, making mexico pay for it? >> i think there is a core, protecting our borders, making sure terrorists don't get in, via banning terrorists from certain countries. that's how you get a bill, how you get proposals done. >> you're not a trump fan, a supporter will say this is a good sign of flexibility on the part of the candidate, adapting to the situation. this is also called flip flopping in the world of politics and other politicians have been hammered for flip-flops that doesn't even come as close as this. >> absolutely. which is part of the reservations that those of us who don't support trump on the republican side have, that he is so flexible that he will say whatever he needs to say at the
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time to get what he wants. he has done that throughout his business career, over promises and under delivers. he changes his mind on a bunch of different things. i use the example about what he did in atlantic city with this. this is in real world terms. he does this all the time. the people who voted for him, latched on to him and think he speaks for me. does he? maybe this week. but next week he will speak for so-and-so over there if it's politically convenient. >> that's not true. any republican nominee in history. he's not flipping. >> he changed his position on a number of key issues that got him through the primary. even immigration was something. >> wait. hold on. how is this not a 360-degree shift? >> he's not saying we're not going to protect americans from terrorists. some of the meetings he had with paul ryan and gop leaders, trying to bring the party together going into the convention. >> but in order to get elected during a primary, if you say urbaning all people based on
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their religion -- which, by the way, wasn't just some small policy. he made a very public statement about this, defended it in the face of huge criticism zblun equivocal. >> saying this is completely unamerican. now, according to you, he is pivoting in order to get elected and be more appealing to a wider audience. he's saying, you know what? that wasn't really what i meant. >> people said he would pivot toward the general election. you saw hillary clinton to some degree do that, hedging her bet with elizabeth warren today. but candidates pivot toward the general election. he's not going out and saying everything i said is totally wrong. he said we're going to limit it to countries. >> during the primary season, he was trying to beat 15 other people. and he showed himself to be someone who is willing to say, frankly, whatever it took to win that primary. he wasn't saying, well, we're going to give a religious test here. or not here. we're going to look at countries. he wasn't going for the more
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sophisticated, layered idea. he was going for muslims are a problem. we're going to temporarily ban them. >> he was telling it like it is. >> he was telling it like it is, playing to emotion. >> wait. >> now that his policies -- >> one at a time. let him finish. >> he won this nomination. now we're in this clean-up phase. we have to wonder, what is coming next? if donald trump is the master negotiator, is all the stands that he took, you know, through the wintertime just going to be thrown to the wind? is that wall really going to happen? >> this sort of policy has to be worked through congress. i imagine he met with paul ryan, who has a similar take on this. he believes in a security risk test, not a religious test. >> joe, but as a trump supporter, then, you would be fine with any position he has held up to now with him pivoting? >> i said on this stage and disagreed with him on a couple of things. >> would it bother you if he pivoted on -- >> i don't agree with anyone 100% on everything.
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>> who is he winning over? is there a great middle that -- >> i think some people wanted him to be more substantive. >> how is more authentic -- >> republicans thought on how to keep americans safe. >> joe, how is mr. authentic, with big air quotes, pivoting because paul ryan wants him to, because this one wants him to? donald trump, who has attacked politicians and elected officials over and over, now the phrase his supporters are using is he can make a deal. he can negotiate. he can compromise. that's what government and politics is -- should be about and he has criticized it as the elite and this, that and the other thing. let's take a step back on this policy. we're all assuming in this conversation that this policy will be less racist, less offensive and less anti-muslim. i'm not sure that's the case. now he will clump in whole countries. is he going to say everybody from that country regardless of this, that or the other thing, can't come in? what's his litmus test?
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does he know that tragically the person involved -- >> anyone from pakistan be allowed in? >> he didn't say everybody from every country. he said until they can be vetted. >> what about countries in europe? >> pakistan, the isi has links to various groups. does that mean -- >> that may be a country that's on the list. >> so every person? how long do they have to wait till they -- >> are you arguing we shouldn't be vetting people? is anyone here arguing we shouldn't be doing this? is this a bad policy? >> banning countries? >> should not be vetting people? >> i think banning countries -- >> earlier, you were arguing it's fine to ban all muslim. >> i didn't say that. >> your candidate did. it's as broad a brush to say anyone from any country which there is terrorism or supports terrorism. >> donald trump has never argued that all muslims are terrorists or all people from these countries are terrorists. what he is saying is very
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logical. someone got in this country on a k-1 fiance visa and until we figure out what's going on -- >> what does that mean? >> how our immigration system is allowing people in who are terrorists. >> there are americans who are commit diagnosis zblsh we can't stop everyone. brussels, 40 people questioned 18 people arrested. june 18th, people who left seara went through the european immigration system was going to attack ireland versus belgium soccer game and were arrested. >> this is america. this is america. >> christine? >> that really happened. >> no one listens when you're all talking. >> we're actually learning a lot about donald trump right now. the way that he uses language, these intimations. something is going on. if he was in your face racist, a lot of americans would react and cringe. but instead there are these
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insinuations that he has made about president obama. that he has made about muslims that play to voters. it sort of allows them -- >> that's not what -- >> this is the problem. >> he has explained something is going on with our immigration system. you want to talk about america, christine, let's talk about america. 580 terror convictions since 9/11, 380 of these individuals were foreign born. 40 were refugees. there is something going on with immigration that connects to terrorism. i don't want to see another san bernardino happen. i assume you don't. until we figure it out, it is time for a temporary ban. >> donald trump said that, then it would be a different story. >> first of all, it is unameric unamerican, totally violates the entire core of our country saying these people because of their race, religion or country are banned from coming in here until we figure out what's going on. that's what we said to japanese people in world war ii when we put them in internment camps. until we figure out this threat they have to be locked up. it's unamerican. we have athletes going over to
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the olympics. if a pakistani person, person of pakistani origin on the american olympic team, do they get to come back? donald doesn't drill down into the details. he uses buzz words, dog whistles and big pronouncements that people can insert their own fears into. >> why should under donald trump's logic, why should a person of pakistani dough sent in this country that goes overseas, why should they be -- >> this does not affect u.s. citizens. >> why? we've seen people going overseas to meet with people in pakistan and elsewhere and come back and commit acts of terrorism, if you're concerned about that -- >> when you're an american citizen you have rights to protect you and that doesn't apply to that. that's why it doesn't affect american citizens. >> has he said that? >> yes, he has. >> we don't know what he said. >> into having muslims registering. remember that whole thing, that debacle?
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this is the problem. donald trump makes these big pronouncements, doesn't get into the specifics. when he gets called on it, he walks it back. he flip flopped on liba. it's great. go in and get rid of gadhafi. now he doesn't. pro-choice fund-raisers many times. now he's pro-life. he went after mitt romney saying it was too harsh. now he's flip flopping on this because he's a panderer. >> we'll have more about this conversation when we come back. new national donald trump/hillary clinton polling mentioned a moment ago, we'll look at the numbers and more importantly the key state-by-state numbers that folks say it will all come down to. john king will break it down for us in a moment. dreams. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind.
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continuing the conversation just before the break, donald trump's 180 on this. >> donald jncht trump calling for a total and complete ban of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
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>> back now with our panel. i guess, from an outsider standpoint or nonsupporter, noncritic, either way, it does appear it's a political decision. it doesn't seem to be a decision based really on any change in the security profile, any change in the immigration system, figuring out what the heck is going on. only thing that seems to have changed from december to now is donald trump's standing in the polls and need to appeal to a wider group. >> he met with lawmakers and said how are you going to implement a muslim ban? there's no way to determine who is muslim and who is not. perhaps it would be more viable to say country of origin, which is written on the passport. i think lawmakers have pushed him to this point and donald trump has said before i celebrate change, flexibility. that doesn't mean supporting the trans-pacific partnership and all of a sudden not, the way hillary clinton did. on the margins of your policies, changing where it needs to change. that's what we're seeing and it's a good thing. >> but you really don't believe
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this has anything to do with politics? you think this is just the first time that lawmakers have been able to meet with donald trump since december and point all those things out? from the moment he said that, seems to me those things were being pointed out and one place donald trump pays the most attention to, on television 24 hours a day. >> it's been a process. series of meetings with paul ryan, talks with mitch mcconnell on the hill. >> let's remember november and december, when he started saying this. the sense that there were all these muslims flowing through europe and they got to paris and they killed all these people. and if only these people had guns and had been armed, you know, there wouldn't have been this slaughter. then in san bernardino, sort of same thing. he knew what he was doing. frankly, being a very sort of tactical, maybe winning politician. he latched on to an issue. he wasn't afraid, like many of our politicians are, to set up a boogey man and go after him. a lot of americans actually feel
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is a danger. >> have stricter gun laws. now we see them universally moving toward stricter immigration laws to meet that problem as well. >> tara, to patrick's point, if you look at the time when he said that, he was against however many other -- a dozen other republican candidates, many who had sort of tough positions, you could say, but also nuance positions and sort of positions which were easy to dearrive as washington establishment, political correctness. >> right. >> i'm telling it like it is. just ban all the muslims. >> that's exactly what it was. you have other people who understand the politics behind it, understand how things get passed, understand how things work. when ay terrorist attack happens or something like that, it's emotional. donald trump is very good at synthesizing things. muslims are killing people as terrorists. keep them all out. people are like, yea, without thinking it through. >> back then he only needed 30%, 40% of the vote. >> that's correct. >> are we in the etch-a-sketch
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phase? >> yep. >> where all of that goes out the window? >> clearly. you hear his supporters. >> a responsible donald trump or is he just saying what he needs to say? >> joe, you said well, that was unconstitutional, the muslim ban. kelly, you said he didn't understand -- or that he didn't get how passports work. >> i didn't say that. >> you said this is more workable because religion is not on your passport. i think it's political flip flopping. but i'm not sure what's worse, somebody running from the presidency who is such a political flip flopper or somebody who doesn't understand the pure tenets of the constitution, nor someone who alleges his skill to be president is he has negotiated international deals but never really looked at a passport to understand that religion isn't on there. that's actually scarier to me. >> we have to take another quick break. more ahead. john king's look at the latest polling, not just the national polling but the important stuff state by state, more
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donald trump may be in the middle of what seems like a political pivot. campaign in ohio and trump speaks tomorrow in western pennsylvania. john king joins us now to break it down by the numbers. new national polling out shows clinton in the lead. walk us through those numbers and explain what they mean overall. >> the reason to be optimistic in the clinton campaign but not overly so. national polls to start. abc/washington post poll has a 12-point lead. nbc wall street journal poll also released and taken about the same time has only a five-point clinton lead. average out the last handful of national polls what you get in our cnn poll of polls is a seven-point clinton lead nationally. don't pop the champagne. we elect presidents state by state. battleground state polls, real clear political averages in ohio, tiny clinton lead. pennsylvania, dead heat. republicans haven't won that state in forever. virginia, another battleground
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state, tiny clinton lead. in florida, a tiny clinton lead. most of the polls used to build these averages were taken before these polls. maybe we'll see in three weeks to the republican convention, four weeks to the democratic convention, very critical time as both candidates try to reshape the race. maybe we'll see the state polls move in the direction of the national polls. at the moment these are the ones to worry b they tell you, yes, trend lines are good for clinton, but very competitive, tight race. >> what are the numbers saying that each candidate should be worried about the most at this point? >> heading into the conventions this is what they're trying to deal with. first let's look at secretary clinton. yeah, she's leading nationally. has small leads in most of the battleground states. you see nationally on cable ads slamming donald trump about brexit. battleground states you're seeing biographical, upbeat states about hillary clinton working for children. 56% of voters say they want someone to take the country in a
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new direction. lot of people view her as a third obama term. if voters want change, donald trump has a better chance. she needs to address that. if you're donald trump, three weeks from your convention, this is why you're moderating your positions on muslim ban, moderating your rhetoric. 7 out of 10 americans say the prospect of a trump presidency makes them anxious. nearly two-thirds say he's unqualified and has even higher unfavorables than secretary clinton. trump trying to get to his convention in a better place. these numbers hold when we open the republican convention in three weeks, that's a candidate in trouble. >> conventions are largely about party unification. is each party unified as they need to be? >> advantage here clinton. but not out of the woods. nine in ten democrats say they plan to vote for hillary clinton in november. that's a pretty good number. consolidating the sanders vote quicker than barack obama consolidated in 2008. this number is getting worse for
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donald trump. 77% of republicans say they plan to vote for the presumptive republican nominee. that number has gotten worse in recent weeks, attack on the judge, other trump controversies. she has an advantage, no question about it right now. she's not out of the woods. when voters are given democrat, republican, libertarian, party candidate, hillary clinton drops much more than trump. it becomes essentially a dead heat. gary johnson picking up some votes. jill stein, green party candidate. lot of sanders' voters. so she has some work to do. >> clinton is picking up sanders' voters faster than candidate obama picks up clinton supporters. >> right. there was a lot of conversation earlier on that the sanders' voters would never move to clinton's campaign. and i really knew that wasn't going to be the truth. having been a clinton supporter eight years ago, i knew the
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incredible intensity of clinton voters not wanting to move to obama, and they d so, i'm very heartened by these numbers and i'm not surprised by them. i think they will speak to things moving forward and us picking off some of those voters to libertarians or jill stein at the moment. >> let's play some video from that stop. >> he cheered on the 2008 housing crash, because he could scoop up more real estate on the cheap. and he cheered on students desperate enough to sign up for his fake university so he could bleed them dry and turn a profit for himself. what kind of a man does that? what kind of a man roots for people to lose their jobs, to lose their homes, to lose their life savings? i'll tell you what kind of a man. a small, insecure, money grubber
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who thinks of no one but himself. >> it's interesting to see them on the stage together. they haven't had the warmest relationship over the years, to say the least. >> no, no. hillary clinton has a long memory. and elizabeth warren said some pretty rough things about her years ago. two of hillary clinton's big insecurities, how she is with money and how she is sort of with banks and powerful allies, that hillary clinton basically wasn't the kind of person who would stand up for working families, which is now the whole message. they put that behind them. elizabeth warren is absolutely hillary clinton's best weapon right now. the longer bernie sanders tries to stay in the background, she's able to start consolidating the party through elizabeth warren. i think both of them probably know that elizabeth warren is not going to be her vice president, but she's a great -- she's proven herself a great attacker. >> if trump wants to win over supporters, is him going after elizabeth warren and continues to do and did today --
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>> i don't know that that matters terribly much. you think of the type of sanders' supporters he's trying to win over, not the environmentalist type, but the blue collar. that's why clinton was in ohio. the thing swron didn't mention about that abc poll, which is bad for trump, he's winning amongst independents. that's a good sign. clinton spent $130 million buying ads in swing states, including ohio. she's tied in some polls. this is somewhat concerning for clinton. that's why she was there today. her whole speech was about righting the ship. i have news for her, she was in the driver's seat, highest echelons of our government, senator eight years before that. she's the one who wronged the ship in the first place. i don't think she's doing a good job of appealing to those voters in ohio especially when you could bring up something like nafta. >> a lot of critics who say donald trump has stumbled, you look at those battleground states, the numbers are pretty close. >> it's amazing. goes to show you what a terrible candidate hillary clinton is, that she wouldn't be able to pull ahead. national polls don't mean anything.
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it's what the battleground states that matter. we don't have a national election. something else that's bad for clinton. the abc poll that came out over the weekend, in a state like michigan, they did a whole story of on economics and they said hey, you know what, we're scared to death of donald trump, we don't know what he's going to do but at least it will be something different and he will bring jobs back. those voters in places like michigan, those are the voters that hillary clinton is going to have a tough time getting and that she should be worried about. >> just ahead, the full extent of the damage from deadly floods in west virginia coming into focus. it is a truly devastating sight as the state braces for the possibility of even more flooding.
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>> reporter: if heartbreak had an address, you would find it on mill hill road in white sulfur springs. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: first came the flash flooding. then came the flames. literally, hell and high water. >> my family home which is right here right now was standing there where that little red wagon is. that's the front porch. my grandmother's home is on the other side here where the truck is. and my great uncle's home is kind of right there. >> reporter: kimberly lester says the water rose so fast, her mom and other relatives became trapped in their own attics. when the houses started floating, the gas lines broke. >> her house filled with natural gas and it exploded and she's such a strong woman, she made it out of the house and ended up in that tree. >> reporter: despite burns over 70% of her body, she hung on for six hours. >> honestly, i thought we were going to die.
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i thought my children were going to drown. >> reporter: ashley scott, her husband and two children were trapped in the attic next door. she couldn't see much. she didn't have to. >> we heard everything. we heard people screaming. we heard people saying that there were children floating down the street. we heard them screaming for help. >> reporter: when her mother-in-law's house exploded, they felt it. >> we heard -- we heard her screaming for help. and i knew right off it was her. >> reporter: loved ones in sight and sound of one another, separated by the deadly, racing water around them. help eventually did come. belinda scott was rushed to a nearby hospital where three days later, she died. what are we doing here? >> we are looking for anything
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that's left. just a little piece of hope, something to connect with my mother. >> reporter: kimberly's family spent the day sifting through the ashes of all their homes. there were 11 houses on mill hill road. only three still stand. in the tree where belinda held on, her grandson, a u.s. marine, placed an american flag. her family wear ribbons with the image of a bee in memory of her love for sewing. so much loss, so much suffering, so much heartbreak. on just one single street. >> martin savidge joins us now. that is just an incredible report, just that one street, the tragedy on that street. is that family planning on rebuilding at this point? are they planning on staying? >> reporter: yeah, it's a little too early to try to assess that. it's clear they are all still very much in shock. they have to deal with some other things first. number one, they have hospital
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